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September 2001

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Child:  Sonny7
Comment:
381    Monday, 1 October 2001 - 03:16:13am
Steff just wanted to add our prayers for Liv ..your in our toughts and prayers
Annie and family
 
Name:  CIndy    Email:   
Child:  kaylee and emma
Comment:
380    Sunday, 30 September 2001 - 09:13:49pm
steff - girl! Ok, I must be tired cuz I started crying after I read your post. Not that you're not worth crying over-just usually I'm not right on the edge like that. I will be thinking and praying for Liv! You must be tired to girl. Try not to worry and know that we are all praying for you guys...and YES! So good to just ask for the supervisor when you go to get blood taken, isn't it? at least to give them a heads up..and know that they will be concerned for a positive exprience...keep us all posted. Love and hugs to you guys!
 
Name:  Tricia    Email:   
Child:  Patrick 17 mons
Comment:
379    Sunday, 30 September 2001 - 08:45:02pm
Hi friends! Just a quickie, lurking again. I had to post and tell you about something a former special ed teacher told me. I was telling her (and laughing) bout you guys doing the counting thing; 1 2 3 and the kiddos saying 4 5.... She said in her classroom, that was not the way they did it. She said she always counted backwards 3, 2, 1, zero. And she said they absolutely knew that things needed to be done by zero. She said if the kid was trying and not finish, she would do halfs at the end. Just thought I'd pass that on.....

Michele....I was so touched by the story of the couple below (sorry forgot the name) that adopted the little boy with Ds. You know just one story like that is worth everything this site has done. What a wonderful feeling you should have about how you have made a real difference in people's lives. Bless you.
 
Name:  Annie S    Email:   
Child:  Sonny 7
Comment:
378    Sunday, 30 September 2001 - 08:30:59pm
Hi all we made it back from our trip..We had two cancelled flights one going and one on the way back what a mess..It took us over 24 hrs to get there and over 24 to get back..But all in all the flights were ok..and everyone was good about the new safety stuff..

We had such a great time..we went to 7 diferent Islands the first was ST Johns trunck bay Sonny loved the beach there..Then on Tortola a beatiful Island you could see all of the virgin ls. from the top of the Island..next Dominica were we hiked into the rainforest to a water fall and an emerald pool..That day Sonny stayed on ship in there kid's camp he loved it they said he was really good and all the kids loved him..

Every were we went everyone on the ship new Sonny it was really strange..He makes friends so quickly..I have some new pictures of the captian Sonny we found a captians hat and he would salute everyone..So cute..
We went snorkleing in Barbadose and Sonny played on the beach there too... he was chasing all the birds on the beach it was so funny...The water there is so pretty...

Like a fool I forgot to sunscreen my back the first day and ended up with a bad sunburn..it was so bad..
then picked up a really bad cough and cold on the last couple days..All in all it was so much fun to spend time with my family...

Trying to catchup on all the posts ...Great to travel but its also great to come home..
 
Name:  Ro    Email:   
Comment:
377    Sunday, 30 September 2001 - 06:09:26pm
Been gone a couple of days but back just in time to "SAVE THE DAY":)LOL Just Kidding:)

Steffipppppppoooooooo,
Sorry to hear of Liv's BBBbbbaaaaaaaaddddddddd weekend:( Hopefully she will be plenty rested for her pre-op and things go accordingly. Ya know how YOU'RE always ready but...... the doc has something else planned:( Hugs to you and Liv, Jeff and Kyle:) Be waiting to hear the results tomorrow A.M. and HOPEFULLY I will see ya in chat:)

RO
 
Name:  steff    Email:   
Child:  Olivia(3)
Comment:
376    Sunday, 30 September 2001 - 04:07:44pm
Hi everyone...

See ya in chat tonight.We were gonna go to San Diego for a football game this weekend and to the zoo Saturday BUT Liv got real sick Saturday morning.Sooo WAAAA My hubby went down there this morning instead.At this point she is on her nebulizer treatments every 4 hours and all day O2.. SHE HATES the O2 during the day. BUT.. the fact that all she wants to do is sleep is mighty helpful in getting her to wear the cannula.So ya all know what I did this weekend.. .. fun fun fun...Tomorrow she goes for her preop soI'm hoping that she's okay but PERFECT timing I may add. At least she'll get a chest xray out of it. AND the bloodwork. I've got my EMLA in hand Cindy. I love that stuff. We always go to the lab and ask for a supervisor. He does Livs bloodwork cause he's soo good and gets her right away.So that's what we've been doing pretty exciting eh? Bet your jealous...LOL!!!I will see ya tonight. BYE
 
Name:  Heather ZL    Email:   
Child:  Sophia, 3
Comment:
375    Saturday, 29 September 2001 - 11:53:15pm
Hi all! I've been trying to be more active with unomas lately, and actually have tried the chat room about 5 times over this past week. Problem is that there's never anybody there! My question is this: What days or times does everybody go in there to chat? Is there a special calendar for the scheduled times? Let me know in pacific time or eastern time, so I can figure it out from here in Switz.

And by the way, Sophia started Montessori Kindergarten in August and is sooooo happy! Right from the get-go she started making enormous strides and progress that I even noticed at home! She turned 3 in May and is the youngest in the class, and might I add, is the class darling to all of her peers! Speaking of peers: There is a little boy in her class who has MRSA- active staff (a form of streptococcus) bacteria that cannot be combatted with ANY antibiotics. The specialists here cannot find anything that works, and he's also always in the hospital. Although it's highly contagious, the head doctor of northern Switz. gave the o.k. for him to be around other children. I have absolutely NO problem with him being around and playing with Sophia, but I do wonder about whether Sophia could more easily contract MRSA from him...you know, lower immunities/resistence and all. One of two antibiotics, Vancocin, used to combat it is HIIIIIIIIGLY toxic. Sophia was administered vancocin as an infant after birth for some mystereous (probably staff, as it was contracted in the neonatal unit) infection, and had a cyanotic (all shades of blue and purple) reaction. She can't have it again. If anyone has any experience with this, please post. To my knowledge, this little boy also has a LOT of other health problems which the boy's parents will not discuss. My guess is that as he's adopted from Romania, he's possibly HIV. And also (I am no doctor, but this is just purely speculation here!) may shed some light as to why typical antibiotics used to treat MRSA will not cure him. Often the nurses from the children's hospital bring him to school...I know this child's life is difficult enough. I do wish I knew what was going on, though. Just curious to know if anybody knows if a child with DS is more easily susceptable to this kind of thing, and what sanitary measures need to be taken. So far as I know, the teachers say that as long as the children wash their hands before and after they snack, use the toilet, wipe their nose, etc., that that is adequatly sanitary for the classroom. I'll stop rambling now! I'll post this as well on the Bulletin Board. I'll check back at the chatroom now.
Heather ;)
 
Name:  Sherri    Email:   
Child:  Jared
Comment:
374    Saturday, 29 September 2001 - 04:06:23pm
I've been off line for the past 2 weeks & when I finally was able to get on this morning.......I was so sad to read that our dear friend Denise had passed away. I hope & pray that Stevie is doing well.

In Denise's memory........I would like to post a poem that she had written.

FRIENDS

If nobody smiled and nobody cheered
and nobody helped us along
If everyman just stood up by himself and the good things went to the strong.

If nobody cared a little for you
and nobody even thought of me
and we all stood alone in the battle of life
what a dreery old life this would be.

Life is sweet because of the friends that we make
and for the things in common we share.
We do things not just for ourselves
but for all those others who care.

Love is living and giving to somebody else
and on this all earths splendor depends.
For the greatest joy we can have in this world
is the making of friends.


 
Name:  steff    Email:   
Child:  Olivia(3)
Comment:
373    Saturday, 29 September 2001 - 03:57:28am
Hi everyone...

Just got back from dinn-dinn,very NICE NOT to have to cook.

Leslie.. :) HAVE FUN!!!! OHHH to go out and be away from children... I'll be thinking bout what a great time your having.. and be a TAD bit JEALOUS!!!!LOL!!!~GO out and have a bLAST!!!A mai tai would do me good right now... mmmmmm...Have one for me K?

Shannon... Whatta great story!!!Yea we do have some cute kids and teenagers and adults round here...Isn't the photo album the best. Nathaniel is 2 and a half eh???? Where do you live and how's it going?

CINDY!!! Well have you described Olivia to a tee. In the morning I try to get her to put on as many clothes as she can possible by HERSELF!!! And I ALSO hafta walk away and let her do it on her own like a BIG GIRL. If I stand over her she will NOT do it.She likes to show me the finished product all by herself and sometimes it is sooo FUNNY!!! BUT she tries.....Let's just say we're going through the dresses these days.Both legs seem to go into one pants leg so I am saving that for later... Also when she goes on the potty I must help her on... then she says(actually demands...) PIRACY MOM PIRACY!!!(aka privacy) then pees by herself and tends to stay in longer to throw about a roll of toilet paper in the toilet. Does she really want privacy or some time to get into the toilet paper??? I am still wondering.. We're working on it. She does the imaginary wipe.. GRRRR....I think the competition between her and kyle has done wonders. The thing I love about her soo much is the fact that she usually doesn't win BUT she always tries.. and tries HARD...So I kinda factor in the fact that Olivia gets LOTS of attention when we are out in public while Kyle doesn't.. And Kyle wins at more games than Liv does...It's kind of a give and take with my kids and the funny thing is that they totally understyand it while I sometimes have problems with it. ya know what I mean?
I know your girls are close in age...Maybe you can relate...

About the aide situation someone was talking about.Being an outsider to your situation I would like to say that if your old aide is training your new aide. GRAB the new AIDE and tell him/her how you feel about the hovering over your child. Make sure you tell em it REALLY bothered you and your child that they were hovered upon...THAT would be my solution.JUST tell em FLAT OUT...My son Kyle has a child in his class in Kindy with an aide.I have talked to this girl a number of times and I think the aide is a BIG part of this child not getting to know the other kids.She HOVERS.. and talks for her(even though this girl only has a PHYSICAL disability and irregardless she'll hafta talk for herself one day physically mentally whatever disabled...)I won't let her talk for her when she talks to me BUT Kyle even said this girl has herb "OWN TEACHER". GRRRRRRRR.Now THAT irritates me cause I have tried so hard to make sure that that will never happen to my LIV.No way. That would be a BIG issue for me even more so than academics sorry to say...Friends and being out in the world and functioning all on her own is something I have worked and Olivia has worked VERY hard on and I think that would be a HUGE let down so tell em... BOY am I pushy...LOL.

Well I am outta here., I wanted to say a few things but am getting tired... So cest la vie... adoios,,,goodbye so long...

 
Name:  cindy    Email:   
Child:  kaylee and emma
Comment:
372    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 08:14:17pm
Leslie-Sounds like fun! Hope you have a great visit with your girlfriend!!!Tell your husband he's a saint to get that time off and give you a little girl time! ;)
 
Name:  Cindy    Email:   
Child:  kaylee..(8/ds) emma (5)
Comment:
371    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 08:12:21pm
Shannon-So happy to meet you and so touched by your story! We are blessed to know such a loving couple and to welcome you to unomas21! Thanks for sharing your story and please do post up again soon...have you posted a picture of Nathanael yet? How old was he when you adopted him? What an eternal gift you have given him to welcome him into a two parent, loving family-with open arms and hearts! Gosh-your story just made me cry!! Tell us more, please!
 
Name:  Shannon Quarles    Email:   
Child:  Nathanael, age 2 1/2
Comment:
370    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 06:16:16pm
Hello everyone,
I went to the chat room last night and got the chance to briefly chat with some of you, but I have been gone so long, I kinda wanted to post here to re-introduce my family. I hope I can get to know all of you. I mentioned that this site had a lot to do with our decision to adopt our son. What happened was that we were near the end of our approval process,and went to look at pictures of waiting children...and the most beautiful baby boy in the world was the first, and only, picture we saw. My Husband and I fell instantly and fiercely in love with him. We had no idea that he had Down Syndrome, but when the worker told us, it was as inconsequential as if she told us he had black hair.. a beautiful part of him.. just kind of lost in the enormity of the love we felt for him. Little did we know that his birthmother had also picked us out of a list of couples! It was sheer coincidence (but we took it as a miracle) Well, there is a mandatory wait before we were allowed to say YES, WE WANT HIM!!! During that wait we started to doubt that we would be good enough for him. That's when I found this site. My Husband and I did not post, but read and read and read. We quickly saw a group of parents that that were enjoying their children each and everyday, and we related to the love that everyone expressed for their little ones. We realized that having a child with DS is not about what you know and what skills you have..it's about what you are willing to learn, and how you are willing to be permanently touched by caring people and precious children.
Anyway, Nathanael is now 2 1/2, and the joy of our lives. We do credit this site with helping us, much as you do any new parent whose child has been diagnosed with DS. You are all so very special to us. I know it might seem strange for me to pour my heart out like this to strangers...but I don't feel like you are strangers. Not at all.
 
Name:  Leslie    Email:   
Child:  Laura (11)
Comment:
369    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 04:54:00pm
Just a quick note to share my excitement.
I have a very close friend who I only see one weekend a year. We met when both our husbands were posted to Northern Ontario with the Provincial Police. We both had one child and were pregnant together with our second children. We were together every day and she gave birth to her daughter in August and I gave birth to Laura in October. I look back a don't know what I would have done without her. She was always there with love and support. We moved on to separate parts of Ontario, but have always stayed close. We ended up having our third children one month apart.
Well, Joan is coming this weekend!! Jeff (dh) has always been off on the weekend that she comes so we can take off and do whatever we wanted to without having to worry about "home fires". This year he is working Noon to midnight throught the weekend. He just phoned to tell me he was able to get tomorrow night off. I am very excited. Joan is expected any minute now and I can't wait to see her.
Have a great weekend!!
Leslie
 
Name:  Cindy    Email:   
Child:  kaylee and emma
Comment:
368    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 04:32:37pm
ONE MORE HINT- I totally forgot about this-when I ask Kaylee to do something now-I don't do a stare down with her. (Like WATCHING, sternly, to see if she is indeed getting her pajamas on-or putting down my purse..etc). If I stare at her and wait for her obedience, she really digs her heels in. If I say-Kaylee, heres your pajamas-please put them on and then walk away - she is MUCH more likey to do it. I went to a seminar where they discussed this refusal behavior a bit-and they discussed how you are never supposed to STARE down and animal (don't take offense anyone!) because it is a CHALLANGE to them and brings out aggression. It is the same with kids. When I do the stern stare down, Kaylee gets louder and more defiant. When I walk away acting like I'm sure she's grown up enough to do whatever I've asked her, then she responds better. THe tricky thing is that of course I need to observe somewhat to make sure the request is happening-so I have to pretend to be doing other things and walk by her room looking out of the corner of my eyes!! And definately if it is my cell phone or car keys she's playing with (have lost the car keys before for a couple days!) I just have to forget about the tricks and jump right on that and take them away. There are issues where we can't jump through all the hoops, and just have to deal with the tantrums.

We do the racing thing to Steff-and when it's time to brush teeth or get shoes on etc..I usually say "Who's gonna be FIRST!??" And both girls yell I AM I AM...and make a run for the bathroom or the shoe basket. I know that is a little mean, maybe-we usually try to make it a TIE! ;)
 
Name:  steff    Email:   
Child:  Olivia(3)
Comment:
367    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 03:58:59pm
HI EVERYONE!!!

Well I like this topic here today. I am gonna try the 1,2,3 thing... Worth a shot fer sure. I find that the more impatient I am the worse Olivia gets. I've been trying to leave for wherever we go a little earlier as Cindy suggested and it works much better. I have time to suggest other options for Liv when I'm not running running running...More time to be patient...I do know what works for Olivia when transitioning to somewhere new we like to race.. Let's say we're outside and hafta go inside. WELL.. Liv generally doesn't wanna come back in...So what has worked for us is me saying.. Okay we're gonna go in..Let's race... On your marks get set go...I didn't wanna do that when Liv was refusing cause like Cindy echoed earlier I didn't wanna feel like she was getting special treatment etc.. cause of ds etc...BUT I AM OVER THAT... LOL!!!

Annie...I did the same thing when I first hooked up to yahoo messenger...LOLOL!!! Hmmmm. kept wondering why my computer was so slow... then I see 400 messages... I did my unsubscribing that night...Ya know my Olivia has trouble in BIG groups in school. BUT I have found that during story time she tends to scoot her butt ALL the way up front close to the teacher reading. She sticks around when she is up close and right in front. She participates more and I think she can see so much better. I dunno....When she is in the back of the kids listening to the story, she tends to dart and take off somewhere else. Her teacher last year pointed that out and I saw one day when I was watching her class(without Olivia knowing).

Well I am gonna git.. Oh yea have you ever tried a battery operated toothbrush Gwen?????

Oh yea.. Olivia LOVED the ocean yesterday.. She jumped over the waves and would run too far out into the water. When the wave would come she would be out too far and get munched by it. She thought it was hysterical...First she'd get this frightened look on her face then she'd crack up .... Made me laugh so hard.. After the water she rolled in the sand producing a sugar doughnut baby. LOVELY...We had a blast. Kyle is some ocean swimmer. He is CRAZY!!! First he won't go near the water(he said it stunk) now I can't get him out.All or nothing kid. Wonder if he'll eat broccoli soon??? take care.. BYE
 
Name:  kathleen    Email:   
Child:  Rhienne, 5
Comment:
366    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 03:04:00pm
Christie and Gwen -

THANKS for saving me that scenario!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hadn't even thought about that reaction, but Rhienne WOULD follow with 4, 5, 6!! How about if I do it in Spanish?????????!!!!!!!!!!
 
Name:  Gwen    Email:   
Comment:
365    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 02:00:13pm
how did you get Casey, or how does anyone get their child, to brush his teeth? Greg will only brush his lower front teeth. When I brush them he flinches and even crys when I brush the molars outside edges (nearest the lip). Can this be sensitivity from a child bites icecream and swallows it whole?
 
Name:  Gwen    Email:   
Comment:
364    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 01:52:59pm
1,2,3, I have to say silently to myself. If I say it alound my son son freezes, thinks, and then responds" 4,5, 8
 
Name:  Annie    Email:   
Child:  Michael 6, Zack 3
Comment:
363    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 01:49:31pm
Good Morning eveyone..I had fun in chat last night you all make me feel so welcomed!! Thanks Steph and Robin for showing me how to use that yahoo messenger thing!!! I downloaded it sept 8 and I joined some groups I joined IEP ,and some other DS ones I really just wanted to check them out..Well since i never used the yahoo i never checked my mail..I had 417 messages..Yes 417..when i checked out these groups and joined them i was recieving ALL of their messages and reply's!!!so after chat i erased 417 messages and had to go unsubscribe grrr...
Mikey will be starting his new school monday!!!I'm sooo excited...The only thing i'm worried about is his aide..the one he has now is going to transition with him to his new school..which is good because this will be his third classroom since school began..and he knows her But she HOOVERS him..shes always right on him and i dont like it because that actually causes him to act worse....And when i go pick him up she always tells me what he did wrong so yesterday she tells me he was very stubborn..So i go well do you have any good news? she says well he was really into story today and sat the whole time..I go that's GREAT..Mikey has NEVER sat for story..Also they were playing a game kinda like duck duck goose but 2 kids run around the circle in opposite directions and sha said he was having fun and she ran with him around the circle so he would'nt bump into anyone..that made me MAD because any other kids could of bumped into each other..I just dont like that..he knows how to run TRUST ME!!!I just feel she really doesnt know how to handle him..for instance if he doesnt want to do something and you push or pull him towards it he noodles up..he becomes limp and you need a pro wrestler to pick him up..lol.i'm gonna see how the first 2 weeks go then tell them i want a FBA done..Cause his aide now is going to train the new one.And i think his aide now needs training...
Have a Good Day Everyone!!!
Annie
 
Name:  Laura  
Child:  Julia
Comment:
362    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 12:51:30pm
How can I order a t-shirt from the Sept. photo's "Up with Down's"?
 
Name:  Christie    Email:   
Child:  Christopher 8 and 1/2
Comment:
361    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 12:30:46pm
Hi Heather :-)

I absolutly echo what Cindy said bout the choices. Funny Chris never ever said NO till he hit 5 years old. Always just said YES to everything. But once he started the NO, oh my seemed like thats all he said. Christopher is 8 and 1/2 now and is sooo much better but still says NOOOOOO. We did the same as Cindy instead of saying Chris get dressed, we would say you want to wear the blue shirt or the red shirt today? Or when he refuses to do his homework and say wants to play Nintendo we tell Chris you do homework first then Nintendo. Just seems to work like a charm. But there are times when Christopher's sister is bugging him and Chris will say "Nooooo Kodi Stop" I make sure he has the right to voice his opinion and Kodi respects his wishes, just as when Chris bugs Kodi he has to learn to respect her wishes to be left alone. Have to say the 1-2-3 didn't work that well for us cause Chris would just start 4-5-6, LOLOL First time he did that I cracked up sooo bad, couldn't help myself, the moment was lost. But I do believe its worth a try also as I have heard many that worked for. Any chance I get to use a different word then NO, yet get the same result I try. I think our little ones hear that word sooo much and at least for me and Chris it just usually become a power struggle. Hang in there this phase will pass, promise.

Christie
 
Name:  kathleen    Email:   
Child:  Rhienne, 5
Comment:
360    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 11:59:25am
Well, I have already forgotten who said what, but THANK YOU HEATHER for your question about Nicholas' bent on saying NO to everything. I think that he and Rhienne must be twins. Rhienne doesn't agree to anything I say unless it is concerning food. I kind of try to ignore it and repeat what I previously said to him, then if the NO continues, I take his hand and physically escort him to where he needs to go or what he needs to do. That works about 85% of the time, but my concern is that if he is ever in a dangerous situation, I don't have time for him to make up his mind. I am going to try the 1,2,3... thing. That might work. Anything is worth a try.
 
Name:  Cindy    Email:   
Child:  kaylee and emma
Comment:
359    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 06:11:26am
Heather- I have to agree also with Michelle-she gave me this hint last year when Kaylee was 7 and I was going through the major refusal stage. The counting thing actually DOES work a lot, though I've asked them not to use it at school-because I wanted it to keep working for me at home..
good luck!
 
Name:  MichelleMc  
Child:  Casey, Age 11
Comment:
358    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 04:37:54am
Heather,

About your battles with Nicholas: I know this may seem way too simplistic and almost ridiculous... but I'm going to toss it out there anyway. I've had the same power struggles with Casey (now 11) where I was at the end of my rope.

Somehow, counting to 3, in a REALLY STERN VOICE has had a magically powerful effect for us. I can't explain why, ... but when we say (in a really slow, serious, stern voice) "Casey, I'm going to count to three, and you are going to get up and put that away!... ONE...., TWO... THREE!!!"

Well, by golly! He gets his butt into gear and does what he's told!!

I can't explain it. It's not like we ever took out the belt after the count of three! Maybe a few times a little swat on the bottom ensued, but I really don't remember it ever coming to that.

I've described this to other people whose kids had DS, and they've said it worked for them as well. I have no idea why ... maybe it just gives them a little time to think about it? But only a very short time. I don't know why it works but it couldn't hurt to try?!

If not, post again and I'll dig down deeper for ways that I've dealt with this. I know we all have gone through it. I still do. On some things, I let it go. Sometimes I think he does it just for the thrill of the showdown. The more I tell him to "kiss your Nana goodbye," the more he is determined to do never do it. I drop it. I'm not going to force him to display affection. I know he loves her. He's just playing games with me.
But when it comes to stuff like "Go brush your teeth"... this counting to three thing has worked wonderfully. I have no idea why!
 
Name:  Cindy    Email:   
Child:  kaylee (8) Emma (5)
Comment:
357    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 04:22:36am
Heather- Just wanted to let you know that Kaylee is REALLY into the NO! thing. It was really driving me crazy for a long time and honestly, you probabley won't like this answer-but I've decided to ignore it. Now, I am totally not that kind of mom at all, when it comes to a "typical" kid-and Emma gets a swat EVERY time she says no to me (which I think was once this year). I have always tried to not make excuses for Kaylee -using her disability as a reason not to have expectations-but I finally had to give in on this one. We were having major trouble with it, and I just had to stop punishing her for it, because she was not stopping. The thing I realized is, if I just let it go (as if it weren't even said) she would stop for a second, and then go on to do what I'd asked of her (for the most part). The other thing I would try to remind myself to do was to not TELL HER WHAT TO DO as much as GIVE HER A CHOICE BETWEEN TWO THINGS: ie-if the goal was to get shoes on and out the door, then what I would say previously was "Kaylee, sit down and put your shoes on." NO MOM! would be the likely reply. Now the solution is to say "Kaylee, would you like to sit on the couch or on the floor here to put your shoes on." then, she would be lost in the 'making her own choice' thing and enjoying the power of that-in fact often she will change the two choices into a third (acting like it's a naughty thing) and say "NO, I sit on this chair!" and that too would be fine with me. The point is trying to allow her choices, rather then always commanding her to do things. There usually is a way you can do this in almost any situation. Like, if it's time to sit down and eat-Rather then the COMMAND of Sit down at the table now..think of saying..Would you like to sit here..or there? I guess the trick is to not give a direct command which can be answered with a NO if that is going to be really upsetting to you.

SO, to put it simply-I had to start ignoring the NO! ('cuz I was going nuts to!) and try different approaches (usually asking really quietly also makes a big difference). I realized that I wasn't giving Kaylee much respect, and she was throwing it right back at me. I really can't stand bad behavior though, so it was like a vicious circle because I just kept getting more and more frustrated. If it gets that way for you, just walk away for a few minutes-or maybe just go quietly set the timer and say "If this isn't done by the time the timer goes off in 5 minutes, then no ARTHUR today!" That always worked miracles for me..
Believe me, I definately been there (most of the summer actually!) and it does get better-it's just a phase..
 
Name:  Tina    Email:   
Child:  Stevie-Marie + 5
Comment:
356    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 02:21:13am
awww..you all are so sweet to even remember me.. ;o).

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BILLY!! I sure miss ya, Bren!! *hugs*

Heather, I emailed ya!!

Karen, I also answered you on the BB.. ;) although I just pretty much echoed Steff and Robin...they are some smart ladies..lol don't tell them I said that..it'll go straight to their heads...;)

I am gettin pretty good at sneakin on here... shhhh somebody will hear us.. and then, the jig will be up..

Debbie, it is so encouraging to read your posts.. thank you for taking the time to share with us...I love it!!!:)

Cindy..I am TELLIN ya girl....Stevie-Marie and Kaylee were twins in another life...lol

well, I am outta words, for now... so, I will close with my usual...
*hugs and happy thoughts*... ~Tina

P.S. Susan, I need to email you and find out about the memorial tree..or you can shoot me an email if ya want. :o)

 
Name:  Robin    Email:   
Child:  Chase
Comment:
355    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 01:01:23am
Hi Karen,
Wow, you have been let down by the system there. Jaime should be getting PT, OT and speech along with seeing a developemental teacher at least once a week for all of them. I am sure you can ask your pediatrician for a script for all of this and get it from your local hospital if you have to go that route, but remember my favorite saying and the school system here hates me for it, LOLOL "THE SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE GREASE" as sad as that is, it is the truth. Go get 'em girl for Jaime deserves the best ans shouldnt have to wait and if you need...LOL, Steff and I will come help kick butt :-)
hugs,
Robin from Michigan
 
Name:  steff    Email:   
Child:  Olivia(3)
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354    Friday, 28 September 2001 - 00:25:20am
Hi Karen!!! I wrote to you on the bulletin board.... I just thought of how we got the whole situation with therapies started.. Olivias pediatrician would write a prescription for therapy... Pt script,speech script... etc... Whatever she needed to have at the moment. I would then take her script or fax it to her EI case worker usually with a therapist or program in mind that I had heard good things about and toured on MY OWN...I think it made it easier for her EI worker which in turn made it easier for us to get what we wanted. Olivia never had to get this script from a developmental pediatrician just her regular ped...Just a thought. steff
 
Name:  Karen (KC)    Email:   
Child:  Jaime 10 months + 5 more!
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353    Thursday, 27 September 2001 - 10:08:31pm
Hi Friends,
We live in Minnesota. Jaime is now ten months old. She has just begun to sit alone (only for about 30 sec.) She isn't showing any desire to crawl but does a little rolling. She is able to get finger foods to her mouth through fist grasp. Late last spring I requested a PT eval. It was done (informally I found out later) and I was told they'd visit her in a couple of months. Now the PT took another job so we are without. My biggest concerns for Jaime, now, are physical. She is very observant and interactive (5 sibs will do that for you). I feel like we've lost time when we could've been trying to build those skills! Up to now she's only seen her EI teacher once a month. Does this seem appropriate to you? It seems to me her teacher should be proacrive not waiting for delays to show up. No OT, PT, or ST! I'm SO frustrated. What kind/how much of EI program/therapies are your children receiving? PLEASE help!
Oh by the way...I forgot to say that I'm trying to get services in place by going outside the school system (since I no longer have confidence in them. ) I've had her doctor refer her to dev ped and phy evals. If I can't get the quality therapies through the school district I'm hoping to get a doctor order and get them privately. Jaime has MA & SSI and I think they will pay for the services.
Karen
 
Name:  Heather    Email:   
Child:  Nicholas (5 DS)
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352    Thursday, 27 September 2001 - 08:44:39pm
Hello everyone!! Long time no see! I hope you'll forgive me for only coming here when I have a huge question. But I am desperate. Nicholas (5) and I are having a huge battle. He won't do a thing I ask him to do. I sometimes get so frustrated that I get mad at him and hurt his feelings to where he is bawling. It makes me sick that I do that. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get Nicholas to stop saying "No" to EVERYTHING I ask (he even disagrees with me on things I say, in general, like I'm lying or something)? How do I get him to respect me? believe the things I say? want to obey the rules? etc. Any advice is welcome! (please be nice though, I feel bad enough as it is) THANK YOU!!!!
 
Name:  steff    Email:   
Child:  OLIVIA(3)
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351    Thursday, 27 September 2001 - 06:28:21pm
CINDY You are so funny. LOLOL!!! I don't read into things so deeply so NO SILLY PIE.... no offense taken.LOLOL!!!

Guess who's 7 years old today??? BILLY!!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY BILLY... Take care and have a good one. BRENDA can ya take a picture??? :)BYe
 
Name:  CIndy    Email:   
Child:  kaylee and emma
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350    Thursday, 27 September 2001 - 05:17:06pm
BTW- I didn't mean that losing glasses was "silly" and I know that it is a big deal, and very frustrating as well-but not a life threatening issues, and more light-hearted then heart issues or 'Livs pulmonary issues...I'm sure you guys all understand what I'm trying to say.. ;)
 
Name:  Debbie    Email:   
Child:  Self-Advocate
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349    Thursday, 27 September 2001 - 04:44:21pm
I forgot to thank Michelle for the Uno Mas web site.
It is wonderful to have and it must of helped so many parents. You all can help each other and I thank that is wonderful. I am in a different place but I enjoy reading the messages and remember my childhood of hard knocks. It was easy. I had very few teachers who didn't understand and weren't willing to work with me. Almost all of my teachers were willing to work with my mother and thought of different ways to help me. I was very blessed!

Jackie: What I meant to say was I am glad Emily didn't fly to her destination for her trip. If you have read my message you will probably understand it. I was thinking about her and if she had flown there yet. I am nervous about flying any where now. I always was and now I am even more! I prefer flying with someone than by myself.

My parents have been out of town so I have unlimited time on the computer. This is very rare when my dad is home. You can't get him off!

I will keep you all posted on my progress on my class.
Hopefully, I will be able to take another one in the spring. We will see.

Bye everyone!
Debbie
 
Name:  steff    Email:   
Child:  Olivia(3)
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348    Thursday, 27 September 2001 - 04:07:43pm
HI TINA!!!!!!

YOU ARE MISSED!!!! HEY any new pics of the family???Liv at 3 is never underestimated at least in our house and I too demand the same respect from others. When we go lets say to the store Liv is a character and can draw up a lotta attention. She says HI to everyone. I have noticed that people ask me info about her so I in turn ask her the same question or tell em you can ask her if you want. Then she answers the questions.Often they are VERY surprised but try not to act like it.LOL...Now most of the people that we see a LOT ask her now instead of going through me.How is Cassie??? I'll pray for them to find out some info for you. That is one thing I have always felt so frustrated about. Undiagnosed problems are the most frustrating. I feel so lucky we have a firm diagnosis and can just get what we need without a HUGE to do.Hope and pray you get some ansWell I must go.. take care BYEwers
 
Name:  steff    Email:   
Child:  Olivia(3)
Comment:
347    Thursday, 27 September 2001 - 04:01:00pm
Hi everyone...

Well we have a DAY OFF today!!!AND brave me is taking Kyle and olivia to the beach today.We're gonna collect shells for picture frames that the kids will make for their teachers at Christmas...Plus the lure of a beautiful day makes the beach all the more appealing.

RADONNA!!! HI.... Geez I hope that your school situation gets resolved.Olivias got a temp teacher(allegedly) and well it seems as if she expects a LOT outta Olivia which is good BUT maybe a bit much. You see olivia is the only child out of the 8 sp ed students this year who has, what could I call it, a delay cognitively.4 of the kids were preemies and are doing great.. One child has a gait problem smart as a whip and calls me mommy and wants to go home with Olivia and I after school.. I adore that child.. :)And the rest of the kids I couldn't even tell you why they are there..Sp needs that I cannot see. (which of course mean nothing..LOL cause I am FAR from being expert :) ) Thank goodness for the sp education teachers aide...She makes life so unbelieveable for Liv.We are currently working on drawing lines in school and at home...Our school situation is kinda strange at the moment since her teach left from last year.. BUT.. her principal is so great.. She told me the other day that she has been watching what was going on with her therapies,gives me the therapists numbers and was discussing Olivias IEP and all the goals she has for Olivia and the school this year. Must be a tough position .She will be ther and is just so... FUN but FIRM. I hope you can find the IDEAL situation for Kaden.School district...private school... whatever will work for him and help him to grow and feel proud of himself.I know what you mean though cause the first couple days of Olivias new teacher.. the teacher would come at me with negative comments about my girl. SHE'S SO OBSTINATE.. WHEN IS SHE GONNA GET OUTTA THESE?? (as she patted her diaper...hrras if I LOVE to change FUNKY diapers and not prefer she be pottytrained grr...) BUT she musta felt the VIBE from me cause that STOPPED.. We really don't talk much and the aide watches out for Liv. NOW I know how MAD and SAD it must make you when that NEGATIVE manner in which is used to describe our kids is used. It makes me even more mad too cause we had the experience of having a #1 ACE teach the first year of preschool and Olivia BLOSSOMED...So I know it can work beautifully for Olivia with the right teach.

LINDA.. HI send em on to the trade center we are getting new ones this week.

HI DEBBIE...

Well we are outta here. HOPEFULLY we'll see you in chat tonight

 
Name:  cindy again    Email:   
Child:  kaylee (8) emma (5)
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346    Thursday, 27 September 2001 - 03:56:47pm
Tina- Good to hear from you. I hope you have time to post up more often as we all love you and want to keep up with your family. Hugs to you and all of yours! My heart was so sad for Stevie- Maries worries about the WTC, and I agree-our kids pick up on things all the time, and people that talk about things in their presence assuming it won't be absorbed REALLY annoy me. I heard an IA the other day say to another kid after recess "Do you have HER? I need to go-can you WATCH HER?" and gave her Kaylee's hand while they were lining up after recess. I just happened to be there for Emma's K-Assesment time. Well, I fired off a letter to the Special ed teacher and told her to please instruct the IA that Kaylee is not a puppy dog that needs to be watched, and never to speak about her as if she is not mentally "there". She doesn't need to hold someones hand (and especially not an ADULTS!) and can stand in line on her own. She needs to be respected, and not humiliated in front of her friends-she certainly was not being treated as an equal at all. UGH!!! gosh, I could go on...

anyways, hugs to you Tina-your kids are growing up so fast..hope you get some answers in regards to Cassies symptoms..please let us know.

BTW-ROBIN-You ARE a great momma and a woman who is very admired by many.!
 
Name:  Cindy    Email:   
Child:  kaylee and emma
Comment:
345    Thursday, 27 September 2001 - 03:49:10pm
I'll join the chorus of Robin and Susan..a day late and a dollar short..to add my praise to Michelle Mc for Unomas! I have learned a lot from everyone at this site..I can't remember exactly how long I've been here, but I think it's about 3 years now..since Kaylee was starting Kindergarten? Or was she in preschool? Anyways, Michelle-I've been here through THICK and THIN, and I'm sure some of you remember those times. Seems like another lifetime! I remember when I was on Unomas! way too much also Michelle-and we talked about Ds dominating our lives-and really defining too much of us. So I slowed down a bit in regards to all things Ds, and am just now beginning to be back without being obsessive. Anyways, What have I learned from Unomas!? That Down syndrome touches SO MANY people, all over the world. That each child is an individual. That all different placements work for all different kids-there is not "right" and "wrong" way when it comes to decisions for our kids-but whatever works best for your kiddo. I think one of the best things about unomas is the people who have been through things ahead of others..whether that be IEP's- ( and sometimes ignorant educators!) Ear Tubes, T & A's, Feeding problems, Social issues, Rare medical problems, family issues--even silly things like losing glasses or kids that sleep in the Taco position. The sharing of information is so helpful!! Remember-THere's no such thing as a dumb question! and another thing we've all experienced is "It's better to have loved and lost then to have never loved at all"..as our hearts have all been broken by the passing of Denise.

so, Michelle. Thank you sure doesn't do you justice. Wish I could send you on a trip to Cancun or something, the site has just meant so much to me-and hundreds if not thousands of others.

And most importantly-IT HAS MEANT THE WORLD OF DIFFERENCE FOR KAYLEE IN REGARDS TO HER LIFE AND FUTURE. Wouldn't you all agree? I went ahead with her T & A with encouragment from parents here-and she has only had strep once in the year and a half since then. I requested instruction in phonics due to the shared info of other parents..I continue to bring up other kids placements in my IEP's---I think ahead to the possibility of college?? Would I have dared think that far ahead without Jackie around? And, as Kaylee's mom-I have far more courage in facing the future, IEP's and all-with the support and instruction of the friends here. SO, quite frankly, UNOMAS! has changed the course of many lives-I'm sure of it!

okay, I must go!
ttfn
cindy
 
Name:  Susan    Email:   
Child:  Emily
Comment:
344    Thursday, 27 September 2001 - 11:52:32am
Good morning friends!!
~
I'm hurrying to get ready for work, but wanted to say: HUGS to Robin!!!! What a great friend!
And...to Michelle Mc: Can't thank you enough for this site! I have received so much support and friendship here and don't know what I'd do without Uno Mas! I appreciate all you do.
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Tina: I know what you mean about assuming that our children with DS don't understand what is going on in the world and being as saddened/scared as we are. I'm afraid I've made that mistake myself a few times with Emily. (ok..maybe more than a FEW) Please keep posting, and join us in chat sometime!
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Debbie: It's great to hear from you! Best wishes for a wonderful semester in school!! Keep us updated!
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Emily has been so excited about participating in Special Olympics bowling next week. For days, that has been what she's been talking about. Yesterday, she went to the bowling center to bowl a few games with the group in order to get her "average score" to turn in to the Special Olympics team. Boy were we surprised when we found that they were NOT using bumpers!!!!!! Emily LOVES to bowl, but has always used bumpers and has always scored very high and received lots of high fives from her friends. Yesterday, she was shocked to see the ball roll into the gutter. Poor kid. I'm sure she was thinking "what's this all about"????? Her average score was......15!!!!! But, she'll compete and will hopefully have a good time.
~
Tonight is CHAT!!! Everyone join us! 8pm Central Time.
Susan
 
Name:  Robin    Email:   
Child:  Chase
Comment:
343    Thursday, 27 September 2001 - 10:02:19am
Hi every one,
Life is so hectic lately that I never seem to get here, and see that I missed my day of hugs, LOLOL, Ro ..you are such a doll, and oh so acurate of me, I LOVED your description of me and plan to copy it for further use when you are picking at me, LOLOL!
I have two ful days of training ahead of me tody and tomorrow at CMH, it is going to be a long two days, and I have been up since four, trying to solve the worlds problems in my little head, grrr, dont you hate it when you cant sleep and everything starts to worry you while you lay there?
Thanks ofr the advice on the scanner, I plan to try to figure this thing out tonihgt and I will also be in chat tonihgt too, I hate when I dont get here every day to say hi and hugs.
Steffy, yea to the T&A, about time!!! beck, yea to Justins new toofer, Suzi, I will check it out at the BB, thnks, Tina, hi girl, we miss you!, radonna, aww hugs to you bud, I hae missed alot of names but I wont tonihgt when I get back here, time to take a shower and have coffeee with the old guy :-)
hugs to all, have a great day girls,
Robin
 
Name:  Robin    Email:   
Child:  Chase
Comment:
342    Thursday, 27 September 2001 - 09:49:28am
Michelle Mc........
I am late saying it by a few hours here, (oops, story of my life lately) but thanks for bringing us so much joy and happiness here at unomas, what would we all do without this board? We love you!
hugs,
Robin
 
Name:  Tina    Email:   
Child:  Stevie-Marie..and a few others
Comment: